|
|
| Line 39: |
Line 39: |
| Dioder - great mountain (Surname) | | Dioder - great mountain (Surname) |
| </poem> | | </poem> |
| | |
| ==Sound changes== | | ==Sound changes== |
| <poem> | | <poem> |
| Line 48: |
Line 49: |
| w > w low class | | w > w low class |
| schw > w high class | | schw > w high class |
|
| |
| sy sen, ćy ćeban, śy śveran, czy cziłyśy, szy szłety, ky kmasz, ...
| |
|
| |
| hàmh tùqhas?
| |
| deimh
| |
| pf > pf high class | | pf > pf high class |
| f > f high class | | f > f high class |
| enpf, enf > w high class | | enpf, enf > w high class |
|
| |
| in neckthai?
| |
|
| |
| why does en- urú in neckthai?!
| |
|
| |
| i thought it was just en+high class f
| |
| i'm referring to the MGW tone classes H = {1, 2, 3}, L = {4, 5, 6}
| |
| séimhiú
| |
| p+séimhiú > f high class
| |
| b+séimhiú > w low class
| |
| f+séimhiú > h high class
| |
| w+séimhiú > ʔ low class
| |
| m+sémhiú > w low class
| |
| maybe not all of these consonants should seimhiu
| |
| schm, schw + séimhiú > m, w L | | schm, schw + séimhiú > m, w L |
| urú | | urú |
| np > b > p L | | np > b > p L |
|
| |
| that's in neckthai?
| |
| no
| |
| MGW
| |
|
| |
| mgw
| |
|
| |
| i see
| |
| nb > m > m L | | nb > m > m L |
| nf > mhf > w L | | nf > mhf > w L |
| npf > w L | | npf > w L |
|
| |
| do you have a high class w?
| |
|
| |
| or a high class m?
| |
| schw, schm
| |
| schw, schm perhpas shouldn't mutate
| |
| also I have aspirate mutation with des-
| |
|
| |
| do you have high class /p/?
| |
| unaspirated p?
| |
| nope
| |
| viet doesn't either
| |
| in native words and sino vocabulary
| |
|
| |
| neckthai loans perhaps?
| |
|
| |
| high class /t/?
| |
|
| |
| it seems like a lot of wiob words have tones 4 5 and 6
| |
| z > t-H
| |
| aspirate mutation | | aspirate mutation |
| s-m > m H | | s-m > m H |
|
| |
| wiob is turning out like welsh
| |
| s-p > p H | | s-p > p H |
| s-b > p H | | s-b > p H |
| s-w > w H | | s-w > w H |
| des ~ Whetmer dis-
| |
|
| |
| s-z > tʰ H | | s-z > tʰ H |
| | | t > ɗ H |
| what's funny is dis- is a Latinate suffix in English
| | z > t H |
| it sorta passivizes things
| |
| in wiobic
| |
| the opposite of en-
| |
| | |
| funny!
| |
| | |
| dis- is the opposite of en-
| |
| | |
| in Whetmer
| |
| so wiob cognate should be tes-
| |
| coronals are a mess in wiob diachronics
| |
| let me try anyway
| |
| it's turning out to be a mess at least
| |
| t > t H
| |
| st > tʰ H | | st > tʰ H |
| d > tʰ L | | d > tʰ L |
| Line 136: |
Line 72: |
| schn > n H | | schn > n H |
| schl > l H | | schl > l H |
| I should also remove some other consonants
| |
|
| |
| like?
| |
|
| |
| (anyway, my latest thai name find:
| |
|
| |
| Charoenpattanachaichan
| |
|
| |
| Pattana should be a word)
| |
| many consonants have only one of the two tone classes
| |
| especially the laterals and voiced fricatives are iffy
| |
| Sorry
| |
| t > ɗ
| |
| i think that's ok
| |
|
| |
| cf. implosives in khmer have only the â-class
| |
| often
| |
| but there are class switching diacritics tho
| |
|
| |
| in wiob?
| |
| in khmer
| |
| perhaps wiob should have some
| |
| z > t H | | z > t H |
| s > z H | | s > z H |
| ss > s H | | ss > s H |
|
| |
|
| German has acutes for foreign words
| |
|
| |
| café
| |
|
| |
| ?
| |
| i forgot
| |
| r > ż L
| |
| schr > sz H
| |
| séimhiú: | | séimhiú: |
| t-sé > s H | | t-sé > s H |
| Line 175: |
Line 81: |
| z-se > s H | | z-se > s H |
|
| |
|
| qʷˁ’+seimhiu -> ?
| |
|
| |
| Smiley grin
| |
| uru: | | uru: |
| nt: t̓ʰ H | | nt: t̓ʰ H |
| Line 183: |
Line 86: |
| ns: z H | | ns: z H |
| nss: z H | | nss: z H |
| nl > ń L | | nl > ł L |
| nschl > ń H | | nschl > ł H |
| nschr > ż H | | nschr > ż H |
|
| |
|
| Smiley like
| |
| classical wiob should also have these mutating prefixes for no reason
| |
| other mutating prefixes i mean
| |
| like old chinese
| |
| at least proto-vulgar wiob
| |
|
| |
| what's vulgar wiob?
| |
| i dunno
| |
| i guess i meant proto-middle wiob
| |
| perhaps ń can be a dark ł in modern wiob
| |
| /nl/ lateral release > nasalized l > velarized l
| |
|
| |
| nice!
| |
| so I have both l and ł
| |
| and I can use ł!
| |
|
| |
| South Indian classical singers often replace coda nasals with nasalized laterals
| |
|
| |
| /-n/ -> /-l̃/, /-ɳ/ -> /-ɭ̃/
| |
|
| |
| especially when drawing out the nasal
| |
| i'm rederiving laterals from classical wiob laterals
| |
| barred t and d
| |
|
| |
| gussnish ć and dź
| |
|
| |
| or terg ŧ and đ
| |
|
| |
| have you thought about how things are pronounced differently when singing?
| |
|
| |
| like Americans tend to sound somewhat southern when they sing
| |
| ŧ > dź H | | ŧ > dź H |
| sŧ > ć H | | sŧ > ć H |
| đ > ć L | | đ > ć L |
| they don't shift to dz, c, c like I initially conceived
| |
| i'm not using z /c/ and barred j anymore
| |
| abusing notation
| |
| ŧh > ś H | | ŧh > ś H |
| đh > ś L | | đh > ś L |
| there shouldn't be ź
| |
| nŧ > ć H | | nŧ > ć H |
| nđ > ł L | | nđ > ł L |
| in addition to nl > ł L, nschl > ł H
| |
| other processes also produce laterals
| |
| pl, kl > dź H | | pl, kl > dź H |
| spl > ć H | | spl > ć H |
| Line 236: |
Line 102: |
| Npl, Nkl > ć H | | Npl, Nkl > ć H |
| Nbl, Ngl > ł L | | Nbl, Ngl > ł L |
| pl, kl seimhiu to ś H
| | phl, khl > ś H |
| bl gl seimhiu to ś L
| | bhl, ghl > ś L |
| | | ml, schml > ł H, ł L |
| nice!
| |
|
| |
|
| do wiobs have to learn all those rules!
| |
| I should have ml, schml in Wiob
| |
|
| |
| looks sort of czechy
| |
| > ł H, ł L
| |
| retroflexes are always made from consonant clusters Cr-
| |
| pr, pfr, tr, kr > dż H | | pr, pfr, tr, kr > dż H |
| spr, str > cz H | | spr, str > cz H |
| Line 254: |
Line 113: |
| mr > nz L | | mr > nz L |
| schmr > nz H | | schmr > nz H |
| tr seimhius to sz H
| | thr > sz H |
| dr seimhius to sz L
| | dhr > sz L |
| mr seimhiu's to ż L?
| | mhr > ż L? |
|
| |
|
| let me try to intuit that
| |
|
| |
| ɳh -> ż makes sense
| |
| yeah because a lot of phonetic analogy going on
| |
| guess the uru values for the retroflexes
| |
|
| |
| dż -> cz -> nz?
| |
|
| |
| sz -> ż?
| |
| yes
| |
| ntr > cz H | | ntr > cz H |
| ndr > nz L | | ndr > nz L |
| nschr, nfr > zz H | | nschr, nfr > ż H |
|
| |
|
| zz = ż?\
| | palatals |
| yeah
| |
| palatals! | |
|
| |
|
| as in Dioder
| |
| ti, ki > dzi H | | ti, ki > dzi H |
| sti > ci H | | sti > ci H |
| di, gi > ci L | | di, gi > ci L |
| si, ssi, schi > si H
| | ssi, schi > si H |
| ni > ni L | | ni > ni L |
| schni > ni H | | schni > ni H |
| or maybe si > zi H
| | si > zi H |
| yes, si > zi H
| |
| dzi H + se > si H | | dzi H + se > si H |
| ci L + se > ni L | | ci L + se > ni L |
|
| |
|
| schngr- -> nz?
| |
| yes
| |
| nz H
| |
|
| |
| so what happens to Schngrüönzstein?
| |
| nzoen2 tan1
| |
|
| |
| nice!
| |
| nti > ci L | | nti > ci L |
| ndi > ni L | | ndi > ni L |
| nsi, nssi, nschi > zi H | | nsi, nssi, nschi > zi H |
|
| |
|
| Smiley like
| | |
| velars are a little odd
| |
| k > g H | | k > g H |
| g > k L | | g > k L |
| | | tes-k > k-H |
| usual
| | kh > ch H |
| but there is no high class k!
| | gh > ch L |
| | |
| low class g?
| |
| because sk > sch
| |
| actually
| |
| | |
| des-k?
| |
| sch > ch could turn into k H
| |
| Yes, des-k will also yield k-H
| |
| i mean tes-k
| |
| | |
| i should work out PIP->Classical Crockartoot and Classical Crockartoot->Modern Crockartoot
| |
| seimhiu:
| |
| k > ch H
| |
| g > ch L
| |
| oh and | | oh and |
|
| |
| idea for postmodern crockartoot:
| |
| kn, schng > ng H | | kn, schng > ng H |
| gn, ng > ng L | | gn, ng > ng L |
| | | sch > ch H\ |
| pharyngealized sounds can turn into creaky voice and eventually low class consonants!
| |
| | |
| schngr- is still nz eh?
| |
| yes
| |
| kn, gn > ng is because i need some initial ng's
| |
| | |
| for the vietnamese feel!
| |
| | |
| it also looks like tonal gussnish with the laterals
| |
| sch > ch H actually | |
| uru:
| |
| nk > k L | | nk > k L |
| ng > ng L | | ng > ng L |
| nsch > ng H | | nsch > ng H |
|
| |
| enscheig -> ?
| |
|
| |
| ngi?
| |
| yeah
| |
| ngai
| |
|
| |
| so it's no longer ou meng zi czoi!
| |
| some things changed lol
| |
|
| |
| werden -> ?
| |
| zie perhaps
| |
|
| |
| enschieg?
| |
| yes
| |
| zi6
| |
| werden > zi6 too
| |
|
| |
| Ou&Meng enschieg Grüer
| |
| enschieg looks like the pseudo german past tense of enscheig Smiley smile
| |
| oh i forgot
| |
|
| |
| deimh!
| |
| wi > zi L | | wi > zi L |
| schwi > zi H | | schwi > zi H |
| ' = palatalization of dentals and velars to palatals | | |
| | ' = palatalization of dentals, velars and w to palatals |
|
| |
|
| short i > -y- | | short i > -y- |