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{{Infobox language

|image= Ravenish flag.png

|imagesize= 250px

|name= Ravenish

|name= Old Ravenish

|nativename=''þiudiskon''

|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.~~køn~~

|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon

|pronunciation_key = ~~Guide~~:~~IPA~~

|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart

|creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]

~~|region=[[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]~~

|fam1=Indo-European

|fam2=Germanic

|fam3=[[Old Ravenish]]

|fam3=[[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]]

|~~dia1~~=Standard

|dia2=Formal

|~~dia2~~=Colloquial

|dia2=Standard

|dia3=Colloquial

|script1= Latn

|ancestor= [[Old Ravenish]] (attested)

|ancestor= [[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]] (Sparsely attested)

|familycolor=indo-european

|cws=MCORV

|-

|notice=IPA

}}

'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; Ravenish: [[IPA~~ for ~~Ravenish|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn]]]) is a [~~[~~w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from~~ [~~[w:Finnish|Finnish]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the~~ Ravenish ~~tribe migrated to the area that is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.

Make note that this is an old, outdated, and no longer updated version of Old Ravenish, for the current version see [[Old Ravenish]]

~~While its vocabulary derives for the most part from~~ [[w:~~Proto-~~Germanic|~~Proto-~~Germanic]], Finnish ~~influence is most notable in its phonology and its grammar~~.

'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; [[Modern Ravenish]] ''aldon þiudiskon''; Ravenish:[[w:ipq chart|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon]]) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]].

==Introduction==

Goals

===Goals===

* Fun

* Learn more Germanic

Setting

* Learn more Finnish

===Setting===

* [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]

Inspiration

===Inspiration===

* Finnish

* Proto-Germanic

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|-

! /kʷ/

| style="border-right: 0;" | q || style="border-left: 0;" |

| style="border-right: 0;" | kw || style="border-left: 0;" |

|-

! /z, ʒ/

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! colspan="2" | [[w:post-Alveolar consonant|post- alveolar]]

! colspan="2" | [[w:Palatal consonant|palatal]]

! colspan="2" | [[w:Velar consonant|Velar]]

! colspan="2" | [[w:Velar consonant|Velar]] /[[w:Uvular consonant|Uvular]]

~~! colspan="2" |~~ [[w:Uvular consonant|Uvular]]

|-

! [[w:Nasal consonant|Nasal]]

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| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |

| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | ([[w:Voiced velar nasal|ŋ]])¹, ŋʷ²

~~| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |~~

|-

! [[w:stop consonant|Stop]]

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| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |

| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless velar stop|k]], kʷ || style="border-left: 0;" |

~~| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |~~

|-

! [[w:fricative consonant|Fricative]]

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| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar sibilant|s]], sʷ || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced alveolar sibilant|z]]

| style="border-right: 0;" | ([[w:Voiceless postalveolar fricative|ʃ]])³ || style="border-left: 0;" | ([[w:Voiced postalveolar fricative|ʒ]])⁴

~~| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |~~

| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |

| style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless uvular fricative|χ]], χʷ || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced uvular fricative|ʁ]], ʁʷ

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| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |

| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced palatal approximant|j]]

~~| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |~~

| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |

|-

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| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |

~~| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced uvular trill|ʀ]]~~

|}

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# allophone of /n/ before /kʷ/

# allophone of /s/ before velars and at word ends

# allophone of /z/ before velars and at word ends

# allophone of /z/ before velars and at word ends, in modern colloquial forms this has roticized to /r/

===Vowels===

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===Morphophonology===

==Morphology==

Take '''''ALL''''' forms with '?' with caution, the proto-Germanic form is unknown so this is me doing very, VERY basic comparisons to figure out a '''Possible''' form.

===Pronouns===

The form used in formal situations by natives and highly fluent speakers.

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"

|+ Standard/colloquial personal pronouns

|-

! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative

|-

! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first person]] !! colspan=2 | singular

| {{term|ik}} || {{term|mik}}

|- valign="top"

! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual

| {{term|wit}} || {{term|unk}}

|-

! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural

| {{term|wiz}} || {{term|uns}}

|-

! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second person]] !! colspan=2 | singular

| {{term|þuu}} || {{term|þik}}

|-

! colspan=2 | dual

| {{term|jut}} || {{term|ïnkw}}

|-

! colspan=2 | plural

| {{term|juuz}} || {{term|izwiz}}

|-

! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine

| {{term|iz}} || {{term|ïnon}}

|-

! feminine

| {{term|sii}} || {{term|ijon}}

|-

! neuter

| {{term|it}} || {{term|it}}

|-

! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine

| {{term|iiz}} || {{term|ïnz}}

|-

! feminine

| {{term|ijaaz}} || {{term|ijaz}}

|-

! neuter

| {{term|ijo}} || {{term|ijo}}

|-

! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive

| {{term|se}} || {{term|sik}}

|-

|}

<!-- ~~Here are some example subcategories:~~

Genitive is regularized to the suffix '-eräz'/'-ëraz', Dative is lost

Nouns

===Nouns===

~~Adjectives~~

Stems are named in accordance with their PG equivalent.

~~Verbs~~

====a stems====

~~Adverbs~~

====ō stems====

~~Particles~~

====ī/jō stems====

~~Derivational morphology~~

====i stems====

====u stems====

====an stems====

====ōn stems====

====īn stems====

====r stems====

====z stems====

====Root nouns and consonant stems====

~~-->~~

===Verbs===

===Adjectives and Determiners===

===Adverbs===

===Numbers===

==Syntax==

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==Example texts==

===Beowulf ~~Sentemce~~ 1===

===Beowulf Sentence 1===

{| class="wikitable"

|-

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| Old English || Hƿæt! Ƿē Gār-Dena in geār‐dagum þēod‐cyninga ⁠þrym gefrūnon, hu ðā æðelingas ellen fremedon.

|-

| Ravenish || hwat! wiz ~~gaizadanjoon~~ ïn ~~jeerööndägämäz þeïdöökïnïngön þrumjan~~ gafrëëgun, hwo þo ~~aþulungaaz aljano~~ framidëëdun

| Ravenish (Formal) || hwat! wiz gaizdanjoon ïn järändägämäz þeïdöökïnïngöön þrumjaz gafrëëgun, hwo þo aþulungoz aljanan framidëëdun

|-

| Pronunciation(~~Standard~~) || {{IPA|/χʷɑt wiʒ ~~ʁɑi̯.zɑ~~.ðɑn.joːn yn ~~jeː~~.~~røːn~~.ðæ.ʁæ.mæʒ θey̯.ðøː.ky.nyn.~~ʁøn~~ θrum.~~jɑn~~ ʁɑ.frɤː.ʁun χʷo θo ɑ.θu.lun.ʁɑːʒ ɑl.jɑ.no frɑ.mi.ðɤː.ðun/}}

| Pronunciation (Formal) || {{IPA|/χʷɑt wiʒ ʁɑi̯z.ðɑn.joːn yn jæ.ræn.ðæ.ʁæ.mæʒ θey̯.ðøː.ky.nyn.ʁøːn θrum.jɑʒ ʁɑ.frɤː.ʁun χʷo θo ɑ.θu.lun.ʁɑːʒ ɑl.jɑ.nɑn frɑ.mi.ðɤː.ðun/}}

|}

==Other resources==

[[Swadesh ~~for~~ þiudiskon|~~Swadesh~~]]

* [[þiudiskon/Swadesh|Swadesh]]

* [[þiudiskon/Phrasebook|Phrases]]

* [[:Category:þiudiskon lemmas|lemmas]]

[[Category:~~Þiudiskon~~]]

[[Category:þiudiskon]]

[[Category:Languages]]

[[Category:Conlangs]]

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+{{privatelang}}
 {{Infobox language
 |image= Ravenish flag.png
 |imagesize= 250px
-|name= Ravenish
+|name= Old Ravenish
 |nativename=''þiudiskon''
-|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn
+|pronunciation= θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon
-|pronunciation_key = Guide:IPA
+|pronunciation_key = w:International Phonetic Alphabet chart
 |creator=[[User:Wfeozawra|wfosøra]]
-|region=[[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
 |fam1=Indo-European
 |fam2=Germanic
-|fam3=[[Old Ravenish]]
+|fam3=[[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]]
-|dia1=Standard
+|dia2=Formal
-|dia2=Colloquial
+|dia2=Standard
+|dia3=Colloquial
 |script1= Latn
-|ancestor= [[Old Ravenish]] (attested)
+|ancestor= [[Proto-Ravenish (Old)|Proto-Ravenish]] (Sparsely attested)
+|familycolor=indo-european
+|cws=MCORV
 |-
 |notice=IPA
 }}
-'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:&nbsp;</small><span class="nowrap" title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" style="font-family:Gentium,'DejaVu Sans','Segoe UI',sans-serif">[[IPA for Ravenish|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.køn&#93;]]</span>) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]]. It is the result of a prolonged contact among members of both groups after the Ravenish tribe migrated to the area that is now [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]. These connections slowly formed the modern language, which, under influence of Finnish for centuries, led to the innovation of several new forms, such as a conditional verb form and definiteness distinctions in nouns.
+Make note that this is an old, outdated, and no longer updated version of Old Ravenish, for the current version see [[Old Ravenish]]
-While its vocabulary derives for the most part from [[w:Proto-Germanic|Proto-Germanic]], Finnish influence is most notable in its phonology and its grammar.
+'''Ravenish''' ([[w:endonym|autoglossonym]]: ''þiudiskon''; [[Modern Ravenish]] ''aldon þiudiskon''; <small>Ravenish:</small>[[w:ipq chart|[θiu̯.ðiʃ.kon]]) is a [[w:Germanic language|Germanic language]], with strong influence from [[w:Finnish|Finnish]].
 ==Introduction==
-Goals
+===Goals===
 * Fun
 * Learn more Germanic
-Setting
+* Learn more Finnish
+===Setting===
 * [[w:North Ostrobothnia|North Ostrobothnia]]
-Inspiration
+===Inspiration===
 * Finnish
 * Proto-Germanic
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 |-
 ! /kʷ/
-| style="border-right: 0;" | q || style="border-left: 0;" |
+| style="border-right: 0;" | kw || style="border-left: 0;" |
 |-
 ! /z, ʒ/
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 ! colspan="2" | [[w:post-Alveolar consonant|post-<br/>alveolar]]
 ! colspan="2" | [[w:Palatal consonant|palatal]]
-! colspan="2" | [[w:Velar consonant|Velar]]
+! colspan="2" | [[w:Velar consonant|Velar]]<br/>/[[w:Uvular consonant|Uvular]]
-! colspan="2" | [[w:Uvular consonant|Uvular]]
 |-
 ! [[w:Nasal consonant|Nasal]]
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 | style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 | style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | ([[w:Voiced velar nasal|ŋ]])¹, ŋʷ²
-| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 |-
 ! [[w:stop consonant|Stop]]
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 | style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 | style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless velar stop|k]], kʷ || style="border-left: 0;" |
-| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 |-
 ! [[w:fricative consonant|Fricative]]
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 | style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless alveolar sibilant|s]], sʷ || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced alveolar sibilant|z]]
 | style="border-right: 0;" | ([[w:Voiceless postalveolar fricative|ʃ]])³ || style="border-left: 0;" | ([[w:Voiced postalveolar fricative|ʒ]])⁴
-| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 | style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 | style="border-right: 0;" | [[w:Voiceless uvular fricative|χ]], χʷ || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced uvular fricative|ʁ]], ʁʷ
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 | style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 | style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced palatal approximant|j]]
-| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 | style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 |-
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 | style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
 | style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" |
-| style="border-right: 0;" | || style="border-left: 0;" | [[w:Voiced uvular trill|ʀ]]
 |}
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 # allophone of /n/ before /kʷ/
 # allophone of /s/ before velars and at word ends
-# allophone of /z/ before velars and at word ends
+# allophone of /z/ before velars and at word ends, in modern colloquial forms this has roticized to /r/
 ===Vowels===
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 ===Morphophonology===
 ==Morphology==
-<!-- How do the words in your language look? How do you derive words from others? Do you have cases? Are verbs inflected? Do nouns differ from adjectives? Do adjectives differ from verbs? Etc. -->
+Take '''''ALL''''' forms with '<sup>?</sup>' with caution, the proto-Germanic form is unknown so this is me doing very, VERY basic comparisons to figure out a '''Possible''' form.
+===Pronouns===
+{{template:þiudiskon PersPrn}}
+The form used in formal situations by natives and highly fluent speakers.
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
+|+ Standard/colloquial personal pronouns
+|-
+! colspan=3 | !! Nominative !! Accusative
+|-
+! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#first person|first<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
+| {{term|ik}} || {{term|mik}}
+|- valign="top"
+! colspan=2 valign="middle" | dual
+| {{term|wit}} || {{term|unk}}
+|-
+! colspan=2 valign="middle" | plural
+| {{term|wiz}} || {{term|uns}}
+|-
+! rowspan=3 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#second person|second<br>person]] !! colspan=2 | singular
+| {{term|þuu}} || {{term|þik}}
+|-
+! colspan=2 | dual
+| {{term|jut}} || {{term|ïnkw}}
+|-
+! colspan=2 | plural
+| {{term|juuz}} || {{term|izwiz}}
+|-
+! rowspan=6 | [[wikt:Appendix:Glossary#third person|third<br>person]] !! rowspan=3 | singular !! masculine
+| {{term|iz}} || {{term|ïnon}}
+|-
+! feminine
+| {{term|sii}} || {{term|ijon}}
+|-
+! neuter
+| {{term|it}} || {{term|it}}
+|-
+! rowspan=3 | plural !! masculine
+| {{term|iiz}} || {{term|ïnz}}
+|-
+! feminine
+| {{term|ijaaz}} || {{term|ijaz}}
+|-
+! neuter
+| {{term|ijo}} || {{term|ijo}}
+|-
+! rowspan=1 colspan=3 | reflexive
+| {{term|se}} || {{term|sik}}
+|-
+|}
-<!-- Here are some example subcategories:
+Genitive is regularized to the suffix '-eräz'/'-ëraz', Dative is lost
-Nouns
+===Nouns===
-Adjectives
+Stems are named in accordance with their PG equivalent.
-Verbs
+====a stems====
-Adverbs
+====ō stems====
-Particles
+====ī/jō stems====
-Derivational morphology
+====i stems====
+====u stems====
+====an stems====
+====ōn stems====
+====īn stems====
+====r stems====
+====z stems====
+====Root nouns and consonant stems====
--->
+===Verbs===
+===Adjectives and Determiners===
+===Adverbs===
+===Numbers===
 ==Syntax==
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 ==Example texts==
-===Beowulf Sentemce 1===
+===Beowulf Sentence 1===
 {| class="wikitable"
 |-
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 | Old English || Hƿæt! Ƿē Gār-Dena in geār‐dagum þēod‐cyninga ⁠þrym gefrūnon, hu ðā æðelingas ellen fremedon.
 |-
-| Ravenish || hwat! wiz gaizadanjoon ïn jeerööndägämäz þeïdöökïnïngön þrumjan gafrëëgun, hwo þo aþulungaaz aljano framidëëdun
+| Ravenish<br/>(Formal) || hwat! wiz gaizdanjoon ïn järändägämäz þeïdöökïnïngöön þrumjaz gafrëëgun, hwo þo aþulungoz aljanan framidëëdun
 |-
-| Pronunciation</br>(Standard) || {{IPA|/χʷɑt wiʒ ʁɑi̯.zɑ.ðɑn.joːn yn jeː.røːn.ðæ.ʁæ.mæʒ θey̯.ðøː.ky.nyn.ʁøn θrum.jɑn ʁɑ.frɤː.ʁun χʷo θo ɑ.θu.lun.ʁɑːʒ ɑl.jɑ.no frɑ.mi.ðɤː.ðun/}}
+| Pronunciation<br/>(Formal) || {{IPA|/χʷɑt wiʒ ʁɑi̯z.ðɑn.joːn yn jæ.ræn.ðæ.ʁæ.mæʒ θey̯.ðøː.ky.nyn.ʁøːn θrum.jɑʒ ʁɑ.frɤː.ʁun χʷo θo ɑ.θu.lun.ʁɑːʒ ɑl.jɑ.nɑn frɑ.mi.ðɤː.ðun/}}
 |}
 ==Other resources==
-[[Swadesh for þiudiskon|Swadesh]]
+* [[þiudiskon/Swadesh|Swadesh]]
+* [[þiudiskon/Phrasebook|Phrases]]
+* [[:Category:þiudiskon lemmas|lemmas]]
-[[Category:Þiudiskon]]
+[[Category:þiudiskon]]
 [[Category:Languages]]
 [[Category:Conlangs]]