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The '''Imθumăytil''' (CWdm: /imtʰuməjˈtil/, lit. 'Delvings' or 'Inquiries', Modern ''Imthumitil'') is a collection of stories, anecdotes, parables, songs, lectures and sermons, in [[Naeng/Classical|Classical Naeng]]. Some passages are in [[Tseer/Classical|Classical Tseer]].

~~one story could involve a precocious child~~

~~she's asked the question~~, in a round table ~~of six people~~ "~~how~~ many of us are ~~there~~"

==Todo==

~~before~~ the others ~~could finish~~ counting, ~~she responds with this~~:

*Scientific concepts?

"63: 6 individuals, 15 teams of ~~two~~, 20 teams of 3, ~~etc~~."

**atoms? evolution?

~~that could be a story in the ngăthoar~~

*Imperial commentators of the Imthumăytil should make all kinds of convoluted justifications of their doctrines in terms of preexisting myths and symbols

~~and~~ then ~~a wise old man counters, well~~, how many ~~more~~ people will be there if another ~~one~~ enters

Perhaps these are too mathy and mystical for Mărotłism but:

~~and the kid responds~~, we have all ~~our~~ old teams, as well as ~~a new~~ set of teams with the new person ~~added~~

*Something based on symmetry? wallpapers and platonic solids are easy examples

the ~~pascal recurrence~~

*Something geometrical?

==The round table==

''Ngiiθ dur mogor se taχ χaaθ. "Măra łĭnam?" tăbits φin Pĭda Brăwid. Mi-ăngnuung căχθaaθ năθa emrĭtsal sen doon: "Șrüχ te-stiiw: taχ mognas, θaφ te-müts θraaφ, liw stăliiw, θaφ te-müts sălmeχ, taχ mălüüts, doon tălaχ." "Ǎna mee ra, srü hĭdeen croθ năθa?" tăbits φin Pĭda Brăwid. "Op cănga, φin Pĭda: tsor pădiχ φnărtaang, te ămsaχ păχwădiχ năθa ya φin croθ φi!" eφθooc φin χaaθ. "Ăruy șa-χaaθ ses tsărüng φănaw φănaw." esngim șa φin χaaθ φin Pĭda Brăwid.''

====Translation====

Once, six children were in a round table. Master Brăwiid asked them: "How many of you are here?"

While the others were still counting, one child replied: "Sixty-three: 6 individuals, 15 teams of 2, 20 teams of 3, 15 teams of 4, 6 teams of 5, and 1 team of 6."

Now Master Brăwiid asked: "Well then, how many people will be there if another person enters?"

The child said: "It is plain, Master: here we have all of the old teams, as well as another set of teams with the new person!"

Master Brăwiid praised the child, saying, "This child has wisdom indeed."

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===Notes===

The notion of choosing subsets from six items may have been a metaphor for cooking. The Naeng recognized 6 basic tastes (sweet, sour, salty, bitter, spicy, umami), and each combination is essentially a taste on its own. The mystic [[Verse:Tricin/Etsoj Jopah|Etsoj Jopah]] interpreted the parable as a recipe for building a just intonation scale from prime factors, thus introducing Combination Product Sets into Talman music.

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+The '''Imθumăytil''' (CWdm: /imtʰuməjˈtil/, lit. 'Delvings' or 'Inquiries', Modern ''Imthumitil'') is a collection of stories, anecdotes, parables, songs, lectures and sermons, in [[Naeng/Classical|Classical Naeng]]. Some passages are in [[Tseer/Classical|Classical Tseer]].
-one story could involve a precocious child
-she's asked the question, in a round table of six people "how many of us are there"
+==Todo==
-before the others could finish counting, she responds with this:
+*Scientific concepts?
-"63: 6 individuals, 15 teams of two, 20 teams of 3, etc."
+**atoms? evolution?
-that could be a story in the ngăthoar
+*Imperial commentators of the Imthumăytil should make all kinds of convoluted justifications of their doctrines in terms of preexisting myths and symbols
-and then a wise old man counters, well, how many more people will be there if another one enters
+Perhaps these are too mathy and mystical for Mărotłism but:
-and the kid responds, we have all our old teams, as well as a new set of teams with the new person added
+*Something based on symmetry? wallpapers and platonic solids are easy examples
-the pascal recurrence
+*Something geometrical?
+==The round table==
+''Ngiiθ dur mogor se taχ χaaθ. "Măra łĭnam?" tăbits φin Pĭda Brăwid. Mi-ăngnuung căχθaaθ năθa emrĭtsal sen doon: "Șrüχ te-stiiw: taχ mognas, θaφ te-müts θraaφ, liw stăliiw, θaφ te-müts sălmeχ, taχ mălüüts, doon tălaχ." "Ǎna mee ra, srü hĭdeen croθ năθa?" tăbits φin Pĭda Brăwid. "Op cănga, φin Pĭda: tsor pădiχ φnărtaang, te ămsaχ păχwădiχ năθa ya φin croθ φi!" eφθooc φin χaaθ. "Ăruy șa-χaaθ ses tsărüng φănaw φănaw." esngim șa φin χaaθ φin Pĭda Brăwid.''
+====Translation====
+Once, six children were in a round table. Master Brăwiid asked them: "How many of you are here?"
+While the others were still counting, one child replied: "Sixty-three: 6 individuals, 15 teams of 2, 20 teams of 3, 15 teams of 4, 6 teams of 5, and 1 team of 6."
+Now Master Brăwiid asked: "Well then, how many people will be there if another person enters?"
+The child said: "It is plain, Master: here we have all of the old teams, as well as another set of teams with the new person!"
+Master Brăwiid praised the child, saying, "This child has wisdom indeed."
+<!--
+<poem>
 one snialist (possibly jopah) could point out that the kid's figure of 63 came from an idealist mindset where there was no conflict
 otherwise, the value would go down
 and CS's perhaps embody peace in that way
-</poem> -->
+</poem>
+-->
+===Notes===
+The notion of choosing subsets from six items may have been a metaphor for cooking. The Naeng recognized 6 basic tastes (sweet, sour, salty, bitter, spicy, umami), and each combination is essentially a taste on its own. The mystic [[Verse:Tricin/Etsoj Jopah|Etsoj Jopah]] interpreted the parable as a recipe for building a just intonation scale from prime factors, thus introducing Combination Product Sets into Talman music.