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|} — [[User:Sware|'''swar'''<span style="border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px;background:#fc3;color:#03192d">'''e'''</span>]] • [[User talk:Sware#top|🗣]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sware|🏲]] 19:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

== On a priori ==

Regarding [[User:H._H._P._M._P._Cole/Sketchbook#Why_I_am_uninterested_in_creating_a_priori_languages_(in_general)]],

To say a passage written in an a priori conlang is gibberish would be a misunderstanding of its (the passage's) purpose, which is not to communicate what it supposedly says, but rather to showcase the abstract rules of that conlang in action. When I do an a priori conlang, it isn't meant for communication: it is to illustrate a previously unreported way of organizing sound and meaning. Making up a priori words offers greater freedon for this end.

Anyway, happy holidays and greetings from an a priori conlang guy. [[User:SN2rname|SN2rname]] ([[User talk:SN2rname|talk]]) 10:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

* You have a point there - however, I have a question. How could average people, with little to no linguistics knowledge, be able to discern the abstract rules of (any) conlang? [[User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|H. H. P. M. P. Cole]] ([[User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|talk]]) 11:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

::Usually, an example text written in an a priori conlang would be accompanied by a word-by-word gloss (the go.3SG.PRES sort of thing). The gloss would describe the semantic or syntactic role of each word in the text so the grammatical rules are exemplified. [[User:SN2rname|SN2rname]] ([[User talk:SN2rname|talk]]) 10:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:::You're right, I didn't think about glosses... Anyway, you raised some important points, which I will keep in mind. [[User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|H. H. P. M. P. Cole]] ([[User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|talk]]) 11:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== Riemannic and The Colepypasta ==

I recently read the [[Riemannic]] page. I think it did a good job mixing different languages and concepts while maintaining a coherent theme.

So now I'm curious what the main arguments of "The Colepypasta" are. I'm lost;

not ( ( your thought of_the your manait out_of your ?flicker? ) is a ?slander? of_the operation with nēm "I think with this þīsætērvug" ) ɣrum? two lemen.

A translation or a summary would help. If you think it'd be controversial, you can email it to me. [[User:SN2rname|SN2rname]] ([[User talk:SN2rname|talk]]) 11:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

* The lexicon is linked in the official Google sheet, which is a link in the article. [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/3/d/1ybdgx-O-_yUfFk_-AXVMaQLDsUX5psWG/edit?usp=sharing&rtpof=true&sd=true&pli=1&authuser=3 I am linking it again here.] That sentence will be glossed as follows:

nekt la la din denk þes din manait øt din flikσtāt al iσt ēn parjām þes operat mit nēm "ih denkəþ mit desēr þīsætērvug" al. ɣrum? zven lemen.

not ( ( your thought of_the your humanhood out_of your fly_city ) is a parameter of_the operation with name "I think with this set_of-things" ). why? two statement_plural.

Fun fact: the original was written in English and it had caused me to be banned in a couple of Discord servers before (and my actual beliefs are encoded within: this is why I quit Discord) so I would be happy to email the full "overly literal translation" to you through email. If I have time, I may provide a gloss. May I know what is your email? [[User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|H. H. P. M. P. Cole]] ([[User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|talk]]) 11:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

::I see, there's more in the google doc. My email is clyde12550821[æt]outlook[dɒt]com. I see gender noncomforming people as normal human beings, but there's too much narative-pushing and silencing on this topic now, and I'd like to hear opinions from the other side of the debate. [[User:SN2rname|SN2rname]] ([[User talk:SN2rname|talk]]) 11:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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 | style="text-align:center;" |<big>From all of us here on Linguifex:<br/>'''The best of luck with your language(s)!'''</big>
 |} — [[User:Sware|'''swar'''<span style="border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px;background:#fc3;color:#03192d">'''e'''</span>]] • [[User talk:Sware#top|🗣]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sware|🏲]] 19:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
+== On a priori ==
+Regarding [[User:H._H._P._M._P._Cole/Sketchbook#Why_I_am_uninterested_in_creating_a_priori_languages_(in_general)]],
+To say a passage written in an a priori conlang is gibberish would be a misunderstanding of its (the passage's) purpose, which is not to communicate what it supposedly says, but rather to showcase the abstract rules of that conlang in action. When I do an a priori conlang, it isn't meant for communication: it is to illustrate a previously unreported way of organizing sound and meaning. Making up a priori words offers greater freedon for this end.
+Anyway, happy holidays and greetings from an a priori conlang guy. [[User:SN2rname|SN2rname]] ([[User talk:SN2rname|talk]]) 10:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
+* You have a point there - however, I have a question. How could average people, with little to no linguistics knowledge, be able to discern the abstract rules of (any) conlang? [[User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|H. H. P. M. P. Cole]] ([[User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|talk]]) 11:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
+::Usually, an example text written in an a priori conlang would be accompanied by a word-by-word gloss (the go.3SG.PRES sort of thing). The gloss would describe the semantic or syntactic role of each word in the text so the grammatical rules are exemplified. [[User:SN2rname|SN2rname]] ([[User talk:SN2rname|talk]]) 10:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
+:::You're right, I didn't think about glosses... Anyway, you raised some important points, which I will keep in mind. [[User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|H. H. P. M. P. Cole]] ([[User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|talk]]) 11:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
+== Riemannic and The Colepypasta ==
+I recently read the [[Riemannic]] page. I think it did a good job mixing different languages and concepts while maintaining a coherent theme.
+So now I'm curious what the main arguments of "The Colepypasta" are. I'm lost;
+ not ( ( your thought of_the your manait out_of your ?flicker? ) is a ?slander? of_the operation with nēm "I think with this þīsætērvug" ) ɣrum? two lemen.
+A translation or a summary would help. If you think it'd be controversial, you can email it to me. [[User:SN2rname|SN2rname]] ([[User talk:SN2rname|talk]]) 11:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
+* The lexicon is linked in the official Google sheet, which is a link in the article. [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/3/d/1ybdgx-O-_yUfFk_-AXVMaQLDsUX5psWG/edit?usp=sharing&rtpof=true&sd=true&pli=1&authuser=3 I am linking it again here.] That sentence will be glossed as follows:
+ nekt la la din denk þes din manait øt din flikσtāt al iσt ēn parjām þes operat mit nēm "ih denkəþ mit desēr þīsætērvug" al. ɣrum? zven lemen.
+ not ( ( your thought of_the your humanhood out_of your fly_city ) is a parameter of_the operation with name "I think with this set_of-things" ). why? two statement_plural.
+Fun fact: the original was written in English and it had caused me to be banned in a couple of Discord servers before (and my actual beliefs are encoded within: this is why I quit Discord) so I would be happy to email the full "overly literal translation" to you through email. If I have time, I may provide a gloss. May I know what is your email? [[User:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|H. H. P. M. P. Cole]] ([[User talk:H. H. P. M. P. Cole|talk]]) 11:25, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
+::I see, there's more in the google doc. My email is clyde12550821[æt]outlook[dɒt]com. I see gender noncomforming people as normal human beings, but there's too much narative-pushing and silencing on this topic now, and I'd like to hear opinions from the other side of the debate. [[User:SN2rname|SN2rname]] ([[User talk:SN2rname|talk]]) 11:11, 23 January 2025 (UTC)