Valian/Etymologies - Revision history

Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd at 18:26, 14 February 2014

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	:<sup>1</sup> — The original vowel cannot be reconstructed with safety as Va. shows /æ/ while El. has /a/; historically the equivalent of Va. /æ/ is El. /e/. It does not appear to be a reduced diphthong either as neither language shows a long vowel or diphthong. Furthermore, the Va. reflex shows /ht/ which is believed to usually originate from earlier /kt/-sequences. If the original stem contained /kt/ then the expected Elasian reflex would be ''pás'', reduced from ''paks'' as clusters of the /kts/-type in Elasian show t-deletion.		:<sup>1</sup> — The original vowel cannot be reconstructed with safety as Va. shows /æ/ while El. has /a/; historically the equivalent of Va. /æ/ is El. /e/. It does not appear to be a reduced diphthong either as neither language shows a long vowel or diphthong. Furthermore, the Va. reflex shows /ht/ which is believed to usually originate from earlier /kt/-sequences. If the original stem contained /kt/ then the expected Elasian reflex would be ''pás'', reduced from ''paks'' as clusters of the /kts/-type in Elasian show t-deletion.
	:If we assume paʔś- as stem, then why doesn't the Elasian reflex surface with /ɑh/ nor Va. with /ɑː/? Instead Va. shows /æht/ which would point at a stem ''*pähĭt'' which is problematic as the Elasian reflex would be ''pét'' /peht/ alt. ''péit'' /pehit/ and '''not''' ''pasz'' /pat͡s/. One suggestion is pæś- which while solving the problem in Välyatalle does not explain the irregularity in æ > a in Elasian. A possible *paĭhś- is also discounted primarily on grounds that /aĭh/ should reflex as Va. /æː/ and El. /ah/.		:If we assume paʔś- as stem, then why doesn't the Elasian reflex surface with /ɑh/ nor Va. with /ɑː/? Instead Va. shows /æht/ which would point at a stem ''*pähĭt'' which is problematic as the Elasian reflex would be ''pét'' /peht/ alt. ''péit'' /pehit/ and '''not''' ''pasz'' /pat͡s/. One suggestion is pæś- which while solving the problem in Välyatalle does not explain the irregularity in æ > a in Elasian. A possible *paĭhś- is also discounted primarily on grounds that /aĭh/ should reflex as Va. /æː/ and El. /ah/.

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	Here below are given the known etymologies for words in Proto-Tenarian, the reconstructed ancestor of [[Valian\|Valian]], [[Elasian]], and [[Lillet\|Lillian]]. For forms no longer extant in Valian, examples are given from its direct ancestor Old Valian (OV.).		Here below are given the known etymologies for words in [[User:Chrysophylax/Reconstructing Proto-Tenarian\|Proto-Tenarian]], the reconstructed ancestor of [[Valian\|Valian]], [[Elasian]], and [[Lillet\|Lillian]]. For forms no longer extant in Valian, examples are given from its direct ancestor Old Valian (OV.).

	{{Ast}}-a: Va. ''-a'' "(OV.) genitive case suffix"; Elas. ''-o'' "genitive case suffix"		{{Ast}}-a: Va. ''-a'' "(OV.) genitive case suffix"; Elas. ''-o'' "genitive case suffix"

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	{{Ast}}śalima: Va. ''salma'' "belief" ; El. ''szólim'' "trust" (should be szálim??)		{{Ast}}śalima: Va. ''salma'' "belief" ; El. ''szólim'' "trust" (should be szálim??)

			{{Ast}}śajan: Va. ''saya'' "badger"; El. ''szaj'' "wolverine"

	{{Ast}}śilima: Va. ''silma'' "star"; El. ''szilin'' "star"		{{Ast}}śilima: Va. ''silma'' "star"; El. ''szilin'' "star"

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	{{Ast}}talilet: Va. ''talle'', from earlier ''tallet'' "speech"; El. ''tollet'' "a proverb"		{{Ast}}talilet: Va. ''talle'', from earlier ''tallet'' "speech"; El. ''tollet'' "a proverb"

	{{Ast}}taʔnikos: Va. ''taankos'' "steed, warhorse"; Elas. ''tónisz'' from earlier ''tónix'', Lil. ''tōneg'' "reindeer".		{{Ast}}taʔnikos: Va. ''taankos'' "steed, warhorse"; Elas. ''tónisz'' "beast of burden" from earlier ''tónix'', Lil. ''tōneg'' "reindeer".

	{{Ast}}tieje: Va. ''tee'', older ''teeye'' "I"; El. ''tá'' "I (dat.)"		{{Ast}}tieje: Va. ''tee'', older ''teeye'' "I"; El. ''tá'' "I (dat.)"

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	{{Ast}}śilima: Va. ''silma'' "star"; El. ''szilin'' "star"		{{Ast}}śilima: Va. ''silma'' "star"; El. ''szilin'' "star"

			{{Ast}}talilet: Va. ''talle'', from earlier ''tallet'' "speech"; El. ''tollet'' "a proverb"

			{{Ast}}taʔnikos: Va. ''taankos'' "steed, warhorse"; Elas. ''tónisz'' from earlier ''tónix'', Lil. ''tōneg'' "reindeer".

	{{Ast}}tieje: Va. ''tee'', older ''teeye'' "I"; El. ''tá'' "I (dat.)"		{{Ast}}tieje: Va. ''tee'', older ''teeye'' "I"; El. ''tá'' "I (dat.)"

	~~{{Ast}}talilet: Va. ''talle'', from earlier ''tallet'' "speech"; El. ''tollet'' "a proverb"~~

	{{Ast}}tur: El. ''turáz'' "maiden", possible compound of ''tur'' + ''aʔtsa'', Va. ''torm'' "father"		{{Ast}}tur: El. ''turáz'' "maiden", possible compound of ''tur'' + ''aʔtsa'', Va. ''torm'' "father"

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	{{Ast}}pétaqĭ: Va. ''pead'' "sparrow"; Elas. ''pet'' "bird"; Lil. ''pidoig'' "bird"		{{Ast}}pétaqĭ: Va. ''pead'' "sparrow"; Elas. ''pet'' "bird"; Lil. ''pidoig'' "bird"

	{{Ast}}śalima: Va. ''salma'' "belief" ; El. ''szólim'' "trust"		{{Ast}}śalima: Va. ''salma'' "belief" ; El. ''szólim'' "trust" (should be szálim??)

	{{Ast}}śilima: Va. ''silma'' "star"; El. ''szilin'' "star"		{{Ast}}śilima: Va. ''silma'' "star"; El. ''szilin'' "star"

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	Here below are given the known etymologies for words in Proto-Tenarian, the reconstructed ancestor of [[~~Välyatalle~~\|Valian]], [[Elasian]], and [[Lillet\|Lillian]]. For forms no longer extant in Valian, examples are given from its direct ancestor Old Valian (OV.).		Here below are given the known etymologies for words in Proto-Tenarian, the reconstructed ancestor of [[Valian\|Valian]], [[Elasian]], and [[Lillet\|Lillian]]. For forms no longer extant in Valian, examples are given from its direct ancestor Old Valian (OV.).

	{{Ast}}-a: Va. ''-a'' "(OV.) genitive case suffix"; Elas. ''-o'' "genitive case suffix"		{{Ast}}-a: Va. ''-a'' "(OV.) genitive case suffix"; Elas. ''-o'' "genitive case suffix"

Chrysophylax: Chrysophylax moved page Välyatalle/Etymologies to Valian/Etymologies without leaving a redirect: doing a rename à la Elasian

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Chrysophylax moved page Välyatalle/Etymologies to Valian/Etymologies without leaving a redirect: doing a rename à la Elasian

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	{{Ast}}-a: Va. ''-a'' "(~~Vahelya tallet~~) genitive case suffix"; Elas. ''-o'' "genitive case suffix"		Here below are given the known etymologies for words in Proto-Tenarian, the reconstructed ancestor of [[Välyatalle\|Valian]], [[Elasian]], and [[Lillet\|Lillian]]. For forms no longer extant in Valian, examples are given from its direct ancestor Old Valian (OV.).

			{{Ast}}-a: Va. ''-a'' "(OV.) genitive case suffix"; Elas. ''-o'' "genitive case suffix"

	{{Ast}}-aʔiC: Va. ''-ä'' "pronominal genitive-dative case suffix"; Elas. ''-á'' "dative case suffix"		{{Ast}}-aʔiC: Va. ''-ä'' "pronominal genitive-dative case suffix"; Elas. ''-á'' "dative case suffix"
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	{{Ast}}eʔil: Va. '''''eel'''as'' "strong", ''v'''äl'''ya'' "noble"; El. '''''Él'''ász'' "wild, fierce".		{{Ast}}eʔil: Va. '''''eel'''as'' "strong", ''v'''äl'''ya'' "noble"; El. '''''Él'''ász'' "wild, fierce".

	{{Ast}}-äm(iC): Va. '' -ä(mmi)'' "(~~Vahelya tallet~~) instrumental case suffix"; Elas. ''-em'' "instrumental case suffix"		{{Ast}}-äm(iC): Va. '' -ä(mmi)'' "(OV.) instrumental case suffix"; Elas. ''-em'' "instrumental case suffix"

	{{Ast}}kaʔlʲaśa: Va. ''kaalas'' "party, celebration"; Elas. ''kályaz'' "dance".		{{Ast}}kaʔlʲaśa: Va. ''kaalas'' "party, celebration"; Elas. ''kályaz'' "dance".

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	{{Ast}}pV(h)ś-<sup>1</sup>, maybe {{Ast}}pæśi or {{Ast}}paĭhśi: Elas. ''pasz'' "stone"; Va. ''päht'' "stone"		{{Ast}}pV(h)ś-<sup>1</sup>, maybe {{Ast}}pæśi or {{Ast}}paĭhśi: Elas. ''pasz'' "stone"; Va. ''päht'' "stone"

	{{Ast}}pétaqĭ: Va. ''pead'' "sparrow"; Elas. ''pet'' "bird"		{{Ast}}pétaqĭ: Va. ''pead'' "sparrow"; Elas. ''pet'' "bird"; Lil. ''pidoig'' "bird"

	{{Ast}}śalima: Va. ''salma'' "belief" ; El. ''szólim'' "trust"		{{Ast}}śalima: Va. ''salma'' "belief" ; El. ''szólim'' "trust"