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EmperorZelos: /* What's the point of the gender */

2014-05-15T04:09:42Z

What's the point of the gender

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	::I've been thinking about that! It's one of the many questions to resolve when I sit down and write a proper grammar :p --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 05:16, 15 May 2014 (CEST)		::I've been thinking about that! It's one of the many questions to resolve when I sit down and write a proper grammar :p --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 05:16, 15 May 2014 (CEST)

			You better otherwise you don't have nay gender really [[File:Zelos.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User Talk:EmperorZelos\|<span style="color:#800080;">Emperor Zelos</span>]]''' 06:09, 15 May 2014 (CEST)

Chrysophylax: /* What's the point of the gender */

2014-05-15T03:16:35Z

What's the point of the gender

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	Does ''anything'' (adjectives? verbs? pronouns? discourse particles?) agree by the noun's gender in Valian? [[User:IlL\|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL\|talk]]) 23:21, 14 May 2014 (CEST)		Does ''anything'' (adjectives? verbs? pronouns? discourse particles?) agree by the noun's gender in Valian? [[User:IlL\|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL\|talk]]) 23:21, 14 May 2014 (CEST)

			::I've been thinking about that! It's one of the many questions to resolve when I sit down and write a proper grammar :p --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Χρυσοφύλαξ</span>]]''' 05:16, 15 May 2014 (CEST)

IlL: /* What's the point of the gender */ new section

2014-05-14T21:21:23Z

What's the point of the gender: new section

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	:-kaan is a non-existent form in Valian (try CTRL-F on the Valian article, I did XD), I think you're confusing and mixing the imperative {{sc\|2pl}} ending (thinking of it as a singular and adding -n) with the other endings. The person endings for all tenses, moods and voices regarding the second person plural are: -keen (pres.), -känna (past.), -keen (optative), -kaa (imperative), -kas (passive), -kassi (passive future/conditional).--[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 01:43, 4 September 2013 (CEST)		:-kaan is a non-existent form in Valian (try CTRL-F on the Valian article, I did XD), I think you're confusing and mixing the imperative {{sc\|2pl}} ending (thinking of it as a singular and adding -n) with the other endings. The person endings for all tenses, moods and voices regarding the second person plural are: -keen (pres.), -känna (past.), -keen (optative), -kaa (imperative), -kas (passive), -kassi (passive future/conditional).--[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 01:43, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

			== What's the point of the gender ==

			Does ''anything'' (adjectives? verbs? pronouns? discourse particles?) agree by the noun's gender in Valian? [[User:IlL\|IlL]] ([[User talk:IlL\|talk]]) 23:21, 14 May 2014 (CEST)

Chrysophylax: /* Is it Bad? */

2013-09-03T23:43:32Z

Is it Bad?

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	You definitely pulled off the Estonian look well. It looks like the wierdest thing I typed and I wrote up Cwengâr--[[User:Fauxlosophe\|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe\|talk]]) 23:11, 3 September 2013 (CEST)		You definitely pulled off the Estonian look well. It looks like the wierdest thing I typed and I wrote up Cwengâr--[[User:Fauxlosophe\|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe\|talk]]) 23:11, 3 September 2013 (CEST)

			:-kaan is a non-existent form in Valian (try CTRL-F on the Valian article, I did XD), I think you're confusing and mixing the imperative {{sc\|2pl}} ending (thinking of it as a singular and adding -n) with the other endings. The person endings for all tenses, moods and voices regarding the second person plural are: -keen (pres.), -känna (past.), -keen (optative), -kaa (imperative), -kas (passive), -kassi (passive future/conditional).--[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 01:43, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

Fauxlosophe: /* Is it Bad? */

2013-09-03T21:16:09Z

Is it Bad?

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	:But on the whole, I am mighty happy that people are even reading about my language :D --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 06:45, 2 September 2013 (CEST)		:But on the whole, I am mighty happy that people are even reading about my language :D --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 06:45, 2 September 2013 (CEST)

	IL was only wrong retroactively, since I editted it. Though that's the worst kind of wrong; the kind where I have to cheat to make sure of it. I was looking for "and". That will let me amend it ~~plural~~;		IL was only wrong retroactively, since I editted it. Though that's the worst kind of wrong; the kind where I have to cheat to make sure of it. I was looking for "and". 3pl would be "may their" if I'm not mistaken, -kaan is 2nd pl which is "may your houses burn down]That will let me amend it;

	Melekaa, Palgakaatust. Taevalyaten; Tausaikä ruusiestikaan ~~magaanestimaanst~~ koerinikä aegastin.		Melekaa, Palgakaatust. Taevalyaten; Tausaikä ruusiestikaan magaanestinänst koerinikä aegastin.

	You definitely pulled off the Estonian look well. It looks like the wierdest thing I typed and I wrote up Cwengâr--[[User:Fauxlosophe\|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe\|talk]]) 23:11, 3 September 2013 (CEST)		You definitely pulled off the Estonian look well. It looks like the wierdest thing I typed and I wrote up Cwengâr--[[User:Fauxlosophe\|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe\|talk]]) 23:11, 3 September 2013 (CEST)

Fauxlosophe: /* Is it Bad? */

2013-09-03T21:11:06Z

Is it Bad?

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	IL was only wrong retroactively, since I editted it. Though that's the worst kind of wrong; the kind where I have to cheat to make sure of it. I was looking for "and". That will let me amend it plural;		IL was only wrong retroactively, since I editted it. Though that's the worst kind of wrong; the kind where I have to cheat to make sure of it. I was looking for "and". That will let me amend it plural;

	Melekaa, Palgakaatust. Taevalyaten; Tausaikä ruusiestikaan magaanestimaanst koerinikä aegastin.		Melekaa, Palgakaatust. Taevalyaten; Tausaikä ruusiestikaan magaanestimaanst koerinikä aegastin.
	~~Fogw ô gwêgw ôrhà e du. Amesôlh du hât. Mapetam e hôrhà môlam ô managw ôrhà menan shecwelhàf~~.
			You definitely pulled off the Estonian look well. It looks like the wierdest thing I typed and I wrote up Cwengâr--[[User:Fauxlosophe\|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe\|talk]]) 23:11, 3 September 2013 (CEST)

Fauxlosophe at 21:09, 3 September 2013

2013-09-03T21:09:39Z

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	:In any case, the subject generally precedes the object (as seen in ''taevaten' '' from ''taevatenu'' which can be broken down to ''taeva-te-nu'' sanctify-{{sc\|1sg.sbj}}-{{sc\|3sg.obl}}"		:In any case, the subject generally precedes the object (as seen in ''taevaten' '' from ''taevatenu'' which can be broken down to ''taeva-te-nu'' sanctify-{{sc\|1sg.sbj}}-{{sc\|3sg.obl}}"
	:But on the whole, I am mighty happy that people are even reading about my language :D --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 06:45, 2 September 2013 (CEST)		:But on the whole, I am mighty happy that people are even reading about my language :D --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 06:45, 2 September 2013 (CEST)

			IL was only wrong retroactively, since I editted it. Though that's the worst kind of wrong; the kind where I have to cheat to make sure of it. I was looking for "and". That will let me amend it plural;

			Melekaa, Palgakaatust. Taevalyaten; Tausaikä ruusiestikaan magaanestimaanst koerinikä aegastin.
			Fogw ô gwêgw ôrhà e du. Amesôlh du hât. Mapetam e hôrhà môlam ô managw ôrhà menan shecwelhàf.

Chrysophylax: /* Is it Bad? */

2013-09-02T04:46:30Z

Is it Bad?

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	:So, reading Faux' words, I couldn't help but try analysing them... I got this "Come you.pl, take you.pl-me. sanctify-not-I-this; house-thy burn-may-???, friend-pl-your.pl to_eat-may-??? needles.".		:So, reading Faux' words, I couldn't help but try analysing them... I got this "Come you.pl, take you.pl-me. sanctify-not-I-this; house-thy burn-may-???, friend-pl-your.pl to_eat-may-??? needles.".
	Tu is indeed correct in this case. More idiomatic phrasing: ''Meleekaa palgakaatust!'' (Come-pl take-pl-me-and). The correct "May thy houses burn down" would be ''tausainikä ruusiestinän'' as 3pl is ''-nän''. The final sentence is almost correct though, besides the {{sc\|2pl}} on both the verb and possessed noun, and some oddities in the formation of the optative (use the stem, not infinitive). I'd use ''Magaestinän koerinikä aegastin.'' for "May thy friends eat needles". IL is wrong though, Valian is predominantly SVO (with optional VSO sometimes) so it could not be "may needles devour friends" in any case. I mention the predominant word order in		:Tu is indeed correct in this case. More idiomatic phrasing: ''Meleekaa palgakaatust!'' (Come-pl take-pl-me-and). The correct "May thy houses burn down" would be ''tausainikä ruusiestinän'' as 3pl is ''-nän''. The final sentence is almost correct though, besides the {{sc\|2pl}} on both the verb and possessed noun, and some oddities in the formation of the optative (use the stem, not infinitive). I'd use ''Magaestinän koerinikä aegastin.'' for "May thy friends eat needles". IL is wrong though, Valian is predominantly SVO (with optional VSO sometimes) so it could not be "may needles devour friends" in any case. I mention the predominant word order in

	'''"Pronouns"''':		'''"Pronouns"''':

Chrysophylax at 04:45, 2 September 2013

2013-09-02T04:45:07Z

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	:I am by no means doubting what you intended to say, but you in fact said "come and get me_oblique.object, y'all [...] may thy house burn down, may needles devour friends." [[User:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd\|Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd]] ([[User talk:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd\|talk]]) 02:09, 2 September 2013 (CEST)		:I am by no means doubting what you intended to say, but you in fact said "come and get me_oblique.object, y'all [...] may thy house burn down, may needles devour friends." [[User:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd\|Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd]] ([[User talk:Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd\|talk]]) 02:09, 2 September 2013 (CEST)
	::Reading is for pedants. Also while most of those errors are correctly noted [I was sure it was VS due to misreading conjugation and hazarded it as OVS order due to what I can only assume was tiredness], me is 1P as an oblique object. If it was the indirect object, you would be correct and the correct case would be tä but tu is correct in this case.--[[User:Fauxlosophe\|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe\|talk]]) 02:32, 2 September 2013 (CEST)		::Reading is for pedants. Also while most of those errors are correctly noted [I was sure it was VS due to misreading conjugation and hazarded it as OVS order due to what I can only assume was tiredness], me is 1P as an oblique object. If it was the indirect object, you would be correct and the correct case would be tä but tu is correct in this case.--[[User:Fauxlosophe\|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe\|talk]]) 02:32, 2 September 2013 (CEST)


			:So, reading Faux' words, I couldn't help but try analysing them... I got this "Come you.pl, take you.pl-me. sanctify-not-I-this; house-thy burn-may-???, friend-pl-your.pl to_eat-may-??? needles.".
			Tu is indeed correct in this case. More idiomatic phrasing: ''Meleekaa palgakaatust!'' (Come-pl take-pl-me-and). The correct "May thy houses burn down" would be ''tausainikä ruusiestinän'' as 3pl is ''-nän''. The final sentence is almost correct though, besides the {{sc\|2pl}} on both the verb and possessed noun, and some oddities in the formation of the optative (use the stem, not infinitive). I'd use ''Magaestinän koerinikä aegastin.'' for "May thy friends eat needles". IL is wrong though, Valian is predominantly SVO (with optional VSO sometimes) so it could not be "may needles devour friends" in any case. I mention the predominant word order in

			'''"Pronouns"''':
			::''This means that pronouns are one of the freer elements in Valian and sentences composed primarily of pronouns need not follow the otherwise so rigid subject-verb-object word order.''

			:In any case, the subject generally precedes the object (as seen in ''taevaten' '' from ''taevatenu'' which can be broken down to ''taeva-te-nu'' sanctify-{{sc\|1sg.sbj}}-{{sc\|3sg.obl}}"
			:But on the whole, I am mighty happy that people are even reading about my language :D --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 06:45, 2 September 2013 (CEST)

Ílchőfti Lēmáthīd: /* Is it Bad? */

2013-09-02T02:13:28Z

Is it Bad?

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	:Now you've gone and made them angry, just listen to them ''"Laheksed saa Vihtor kui ruuseemme…laheksed… laheksed"'' ;-) --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 05:06, 1 September 2013 (CEST)		:Now you've gone and made them angry, just listen to them ''"Laheksed saa Vihtor kui ruuseemme…laheksed… laheksed"'' ;-) --[[File:Admin.png\|35px\|link=Linguifex:Administrators]] '''[[User talk:Chrysophylax\|<span style="color: #3366BB ;">Chrysophylax</span>]]''' 05:06, 1 September 2013 (CEST)

	Melekaa, ~~Palgakaa tu~~. Taevalyaten; Tausaikä ruusiestikaan, koerinikän magaanestikaan aegastin.		Melekaa, Palgakaatu. Taevalyaten; Tausaikä ruusiestikaan, koerinikän magaanestikaan aegastin.
	[Come and Get Me. I won't make this holy; May your houses burn down, May your friends devour needles.] --[[User:Fauxlosophe\|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe\|talk]]) 05:43, 1 September 2013 (CEST)		[Come and Get Me. I won't make this holy; May your houses burn down, May your friends devour needles.] --[[User:Fauxlosophe\|Fauxlosophe]] ([[User talk:Fauxlosophe\|talk]]) 05:43, 1 September 2013 (CEST)